Why is netori as rare as it is?

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lfgals1 said:
I mean, you sort of said it yourself. It's a squares and rectangles situation. Netori games are male PoV corruption games. There is a pretty standard and easy to deploy model for how to gamify male PoV corruption games, and nothing about Netori would preclude that model from working.
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I think you might be missing the point. Most NTR includes cheating or stealing. Netori specifically is mostly about the MC/POV character stealing a different characters wife/girlfriend. That's where the kink comes from. The taboo of cheating.

Also another factor is that the MC is just so good at sex that women already in relationships can't resist his cock. I imagine me (and other enjoyers of Netori) like that little ego boost.
 
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lfgals1 said:
I mean, you sort of said it yourself. It's a squares and rectangles situation. Netori games are male PoV corruption games. There is a pretty standard and easy to deploy model for how to gamify male PoV corruption games, and nothing about Netori would preclude that model from working.

So I don't see what point you are trying to make.
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What is there to not get? Corruption in and of itself is not netori, people who want netori aren't satisfied with just corruption, there's a victory side to netori that plain old corruption doesn't have, as in victory over someone else, not the LI. Also, though it's rare, not all netori has corruption, it just has cheating on top of the destruction of someone else's relationship. Here's a simple graphic that may help.

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I ask again, what is the point of the hair splitting? Because you still haven't even attempted to explain why that difference matters when it comes to turning Netori into a game. Which is what I have been talking about the whole time. Netori games use the basic gameplay loops of male PoV corruption games because that model fits them.
 
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lfgals1 said:
I ask again, what is the point of the hair splitting? Because you still haven't even attempted to explain why that difference matters when it comes to turning Netori into a game. Which is what I have been talking about the whole time. Netori games use the basic gameplay loops of male PoV corruption games because that model fits them.
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Hair splitting? They're different things. wtf.
 
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lfgals1 said:
Because you still haven't even attempted to explain why that difference matters when it comes to turning Netori into a game.
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And he won't. What you kinda refuse to realize/address is that he isn't talking about what you are talking about. He doesn't care if there is a difference or not. You approach this from a very generalistic point of view, not addressing the core questions itself.

He the meantime doesn't care about any of that stuff and responding to you in a way that maintains this specific focus.
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Hair splitting? They're different things. wtf.
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Yeah. But he isn't talking about netori actually.

You assume he does and he assumes you know he doesn't :sneaky:

You both talk past each other about different topics assuming the other is talking about yours.. and thus makes no sense. But in reality neither of you are responding to what the other is actually saying.

lfgals1. tanstfaal doesn't care if it's easy to implement or not and what male protag games prove because he is focusing very specifically on the percevied underrepresentation of netori. He does it not in a general way and the fact there are lots of various OTHER type of male protag games is totally beside the point here.

tanstfaal. He isn't trying to answer your question. He is running his own separate argument beside your topic.
 
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tanstaafl said:
What is there to not get? Corruption in and of itself is not netori, people who want netori aren't satisfied with just corruption, there's a victory side to netori that plain old corruption doesn't have, as in victory over someone else, not the LI. Also, though it's rare, not all netori has corruption, it just has cheating on top of the destruction of someone else's relationship. Here's a simple graphic that may help.

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I definitely see the parallel to netorare. 99% of netorare is corruption fetish with the extra "victory condition" as you call it.

But in my experience, corruption based netori doesn't outnumber the romance based netori significantly. In fact, for me personally, I've seen much more games that claim a netori angle that is just saving the girl from her abusive/neglectful husband. And really, that's the main gripe I have with netori in general. I don't self insert, so I definitely enjoy the same story from the antagonist POV as well (some Black Lilith games). But most netori just isn't about that.
 
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Ennoch said:
And he won't. What you kinda refuse to realize/address is that he isn't talking about what you are talking about. He doesn't care if there is a difference or not. You approach this from a very generalistic point of view, not addressing the core questions itself.
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Considering he started our back and forth by responding to my post which was a direct response to someone having the same conversation I am having, I think it's on him not on me to realize what is being discussed.

Other than that, fair.
 
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desmosome said:
I definitely see the parallel to netorare. 99% of netorare is corruption fetish with the extra "victory condition" as you call it.
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Not quite 99%. There is that rare (but not 1% rare) netorare where the antagonist stealing the MC's girl does it through romance. Our Red String and similar story based games have examples. But yes, I agree completely otherwise.
 
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lfgals1 said:
Considering he started our back and forth by responding to my post which was a direct response to someone having the same conversation I am having, I think it's on him not on me to realize what is being discussed.

Other than that, fair.
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I responded to a single line in your first post in this thread:
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Whereas Netori is just a male protagonist corruption game, which there are a million of because it is dead easy to gameify.
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by saying this, which wasn't even disagreeing with you, just clarifying a point:
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Most netori games are male protagonist corruption games but most male protagonist corruption games are not netori. There's definitely overlap sure, but don't confuse the two things.
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Anything beyond that is you just saying "why split hairs" or "Netori is just corruption" again.
 
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tanstaafl said:
Anything beyond that is you just saying "why split hairs" or "Netori is just corruption" again.
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You're talking flavor, I'm talking game design, we have established that. I was making a statement about how Netori games use the same basic mechanical structures that MPoV corruption uses because Netori fits neatly into that game design framework, and you jumped in with flavor differences that have little to no impact on how the gameplay of such games are generally designed.

Because you responded to me, I thought you were alluding to some gameplay difference, which you weren't because we were talking past each other.
 
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lfgals1 said:
You're talking flavor, I'm talking game design, we have established that. I was making a statement about how Netori games use the same basic mechanical structures that MPoV corruption uses because Netori fits neatly into that game design framework, and you jumped in with flavor differences that have little to no impact on how the gameplay of such games are generally designed.

Because you responded to me, I thought you were alluding to some gameplay difference, which you weren't because we were talking past each other.
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Fair enough.
 
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